week 7: Confessio Amantis - the framework

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For the purposes of the forum, I would like to ask you just for brief initial impressions concerning the combination of the "commentary on the state of the world" in the Prologue and the traditional dream vision frame opening. How do they fit together?

In the 2nd part of the session debate on Gower we will focus on what I would call "patterning for a specific message"> 
I'd like to ask you to look at how Gower organizes his account, through recurrent motifs, highlighted themes and narratorial comment, to endow it with specific (moral?) significance.
Next, we will connect our observations on Gower's reshaping of the tale for a specific message with the framework in which he places the tale.

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Re: week 7: Confessio Amantis - the framework

by Martina Mrázová -
The prologue establishes the scene; the reader can envision himself within the framework or in the time and place, even though the depiction is not specific. He is introduced to the physical and the moral surroundings. Gower proposes the overarching argument which need to be resolved in the world (through his work). He admits that there is many things wrong in the world, which might cause a person to be overwhelmed, not knowing what is the crucial aspect and what is the sole reason for the disorder. He then establishes the centre of the issue both for the world and the reader, which now allows him to seek a specific solution. Having “objectively“ found the subject which is to change, Gower can move to more subjective narrative. The introduction then extends upon the prologue with the addition of a specific character(s) and their characteristics, through which the narrative can progress in a dramatic fashion. The main character is of the diseased age, does not know of the past position of love and only with the help of a psychopomp can he learn of the past and or establish pure Love is the main principle. The psychopomp is then the connection of the prologue and introduction, as he represents a person of the glorious past which the prologue praises, yet is present in the “current“ world. Although he is a character of the “subjective“ introduction, he is reminiscent of the “objectivity“ of the prologue, with his almost scientific ranking of “love’s signs and properties“.
Although the parts of the work are both written in a 1st person view, the narrator of the prologue reads differently, he reminds of almost of a heterodiegetic narrator; this overarching abstract entity, rather than a concrete character. On the other hand, the 1st person narrator of introduction is heavily subjective and homodiegetic. The psychopomp is to me a combination of the two, he is a character of the introduction, therefore concrete, yet represents something abstract and liminal as the prologue.
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Re: week 7: Confessio Amantis - the framework

by Helena Znojemská -
I'd agree with your characterization of the narrator position in the prologue and the introduction, respectively. At the same time, it wouldn't seem that the "I" changes; meaning that the narrator-turned-character knows about love as fundamental principle in the world ("past position of love"), but states the subject is too much for him, i.e. he cannot propose any measures that would reinstate this love. So he moves to the "individual", heterosexual love. Genius is sent to guide him in matters of this love (as priest of VENUS), but he soon transcends that (as PRIEST), so there, too, you are right that he belongs in the introduction but has affinity with the prologue.
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Re: week 7: Confessio Amantis - the framework

by Emma Marešová -
The Prologue comments on real world events (the state of the world at large); the dream vision frame allows for a more personal perspective (focus on the individual). The Confessio begins with the description of a world marked by a corrupt governing body, political, and moral instability, looking back to a time in the past (classical period) when Love ruled all. As Martina has said, and I’m sorry if I’m repeating anything too much, this introduces current moral and physical concerns, and serves to foreshadow the ethics and morality the greater text will explore. The dream vision frame is a way of leading the narrator on a more introspective journey, something individual. In medieval poetry, the dream vision often serves as a vessel for moral insight, where the narrator learns some philosophical or spiritual truth, often with the help of a guide (Genius in the Confessio - Amans meets Venus and Genius, her priest, who guide him through a confession that becomes an allegorical exploration of human vices and virtues - offering moral instruction along the way). The dream vision format allows Gower to address both individual and collective morality. The implication here is that social harmony can only be achieved through individual reform - societal reform begins with the reform of the self. Amans’ personal journey becomes allegory - it reflects the struggles of individuals with personal sins and misguided love, while the Prologue’s broader social commentary provides the wider context of institutional and societal corruption. The dream vision form is accessible to audiences; framing the Confessio as such allows Gower to convey such lessons in ethics in a way that is familiar to readers of the time.
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Re: week 7: Confessio Amantis - the framework

by Helena Znojemská -
I'd only add that the dream vision form is associated not only with spiritual/philosophical insight, but perhaps even more heavily with matters of erotic, albeit refined - love; the courtly matter of the kind we saw in Chrétien's Yvain. So there are as it were two potential spheres of interest implied in the dream vision frame. As Martina suggested, Genius the priest of Venus moves freely between the two, though ultimately the tendency is towards the spiritual / philosophical insight.
Plus, I agree with your observation that the ultimate insight mediated in CA is that "social harmony can only be achieved through individual reform"; at the same time, it should be noted that this only becomes clear as we proceed - the introduction to the actual Amans' "experience" reads as "and now for something completely different".
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Re: week 7: Confessio Amantis - the framework

by Rose Delaplace -
After my reading, I would say that the prologue and the “dream vision” act together. The prologue is indeed more generic, with an universal goal, while the “dream vision” uses an individual case. That said, for me, the dream is not meant to tell the story of one particular character: with its strong spiritual meaning, it is more a way of exploring human desires/passions/inner debates. In both parts, Gower chooses to talk about love, as he shows that it is the most violent of human feelings. No one can resist love. And love is also the center of the harmony of the world, as it is emphasized in the prologue. However, even if love is a beautiful emotion that allows mankind to live together, the writer insists on a more moral aspect. Good behaviors, good thoughts, are necessary. Human’s love has to fit with God’s love. It is illustrated by the presence of Father Genius, who, thanks to the confession, will allow the character to get rid of his disorder, in a way to find a more moral love, with a stronger spiritual than physical dimension.
I would also say that I am curious to know if there is some hidden message in the prologue. For me, the prologue started with the description and regrets of a bygone era, when the world was in order. It was characterized by no vice, many values, noble love. Then, it switched to a world of disorder, chaos, war. Gower blames the bad advice that the rulers can get. Finally, he hopes or prays for an order of the World closer to God's will. I was just wondering if there could be some critics of the writer’s world at the time. With a strong moral dimension, this prologue could maybe be a way of blaming others for their attitudes. But maybe I am going a bit too far and this construction is just a reflection on the state of the world in general, and is not aimed at any particular human community.
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Re: week 7: Confessio Amantis - the framework

by Helena Znojemská -
I like your commentary on the use of the confession scheme ("a way to find a more moral love"), and especially the way you describe the CA "project": "Human’s love has to fit with God’s love". But this is precisely the difference between the Prologue and the intro that I noted in my response to Emma: in the former, as you note, "love is [...] the center of the harmony of the world"; in the latter, to quote you again, "love [...] is the most violent of human feelings". Or, as the narrator puts it, "Love's law is beyond control/follows no order" ("loves lawe is out of reule").
Throughout his work Gower addressed the shortcomings of the society he lived in (Vox Clamantis). The Prologue speaks of the world at large, but that image would reflect the specific conditions of English society in the period - especially the tensions attending on economic and social transformations in post-plague England.